Several posts in the Entrecard forums appeared recently by people who question the Entrecard economy. They complain they can get the same traffic from Project Wonderful or elsewhere for less. I won’t be reviewing Entrecard today, but I’d like to address this one issue. I’m waiting for their official announcement of new changes some time next week before doing a complete review. For those impatient droppers, I’ll sum up the entire article here in one sentence: Unless you are selling something, it’s doubtful any amount of clicks on a 125×125 ad alone will achieve your goals.
Let’s look at the facts first. Someone threw out the number of .03 to run an ad for one day on Project Wonderful. I run ads like this all the time so I have data on results. My ads were shown 314,164 times, and received 1,596 clicks. This means my ad has to be shown 197 times to receive 1 click.
I also have detailed Entrecard results. To make the results valid, you have to look at clicks “from” my blog and not clicks received. My Entrecard ad has generated 1771 clicks to other blogs over 58,239 page views. That works out to 33 page views to receive one click. Now to throw this all into a chart, along with some other data.
| Network | Page Views | Clicks | Views/Click | Total Cost | Cost Per click |
| Project Wonderful | 314,164 | 1,596 | 197 | ||
| Entrecard | 58,239 | 1771 | 33 | ||
| Paid Stumbles | 243 | 243 | 1 | $12.25 | .05 |
| AdToll | 1,164,583 | 243 | 4792 | $7.83 | .032 |
| *Google Adwords | 1 | 1 | $1 | $1 |
*Google Adwords: Phrase “Social Networking” for the site Turnipofpower.com. Included to show the ridiculous nature of calculating “cost per click” when dealing with blogs that aren’t selling products.
As you can see, Entrecard produces the best results for receiving clicks from the smallest amount of page views. Stumble sends you visitors, but they never see your ad and thus lose out on the branding factor there. The quality of sites on Adtoll, though improving, leave much to be desired. Many of the sites you can purchase on Project Wonderful are also of questionable quality, and you have to micromanage the system to weed these out. Not that Entrecard doesn’t have problems. As with all the systems, click fraud is rampant. Sites that have few visitors outside Entrecard report 90 clicks a day. I guess they think I’m impressed by their attempt to deceive me.
So what Entrecard offers is a strong reinforcement of your brand, and good clicks per page view ratio. Even if a portion of these clicks are “widget surfers”, they are still clicking on your ad and visiting your site. Which brings up the point, Why Are you advertising?
- Is it to make money off Adsense??
- Brag to your friends about how many visitors you have?
- Fool paid review companies into thinking your blog is happening?
- To increase your number of quality readers?
If it is Adsense clicks, Entrecard isn’t for you. Bloggers don’t click AdSense out of habit, they fear Google even if the ads are targeted towards bloggers. For bragging rights, simply buy traffic from overseas networks. However, the last 2 reasons make Entrecard’s quality of traffic perform far ahead of all the other sources except for Stumble. Why? Because it’s mostly US based traffic. But at what cost?
Entrecard is trying to value the credit at $7.50 per 1000. Thus a 2cr ad costs $.015 per day. I assure you the quality of blog and site placement of a .015 ad is better in Entrecard than in any other ad service. A 4cr ad is the equivalent of a .03 Project Wonderful ad. As you increase in blog quality, the chance of finding Project Wonderful on the site is pretty slim. I keep it only because I run ads there, so I need a constant source of funds. It’s more efficient for me to run their ads than to transfer $10 a month through paypal.
So bargains can be found in both systems. A 2cr site in Entrecard is always a steal. As is any PW ad that costs you nothing. At 1024cr my site is expensive at $7.68 per day compared to my PW ad. Is the Entrecard ad worth 100 times the PW ad? Absolutely not. Even Entrecard itself had a PW ad selling below the worth of 1000cr until recently. It has to do with flaws in both systems.
Project Wonderful undervalues almost all websites due to its automation system. There are very few real advertisers there. Most people either bid .00 or .01, with certain sites getting all the money. Those who advertise on my site do so mainly because they can spot a bargain and place their bids by hand, bidding up to $1.30 when challenged by other bidders. When they don’t advertise by hand, the automated tool takes over and automated bids pay almost nothing. When you see a .03 ad in PW, you can be pretty sure there is no competition. When you see a 1024cr ad in Entrecard, you can assume there is competition for the ad.
Entrecard overvalues websites. People bid based upon Entrecard visitors only and not overall demographics. Then there is the free factor. You can click 300 times, receive 300 clicks, and sell an ad on your own site to get those 1000cr it takes to advertise on my site. Even without buying a single ad, you can get hundreds of clicks from Entrecard. Most people don’t convert this into “credits per dollar” nor what their time is worth per click. If they did, credits would cost $10 per 1000 and ad prices would fall to very low levels. I never buy high priced ads, but many find them valuable. Especially if you have a niche blog and want other niche traffic sent your way. What isn’t taken into account here is that Entrecard is a social network, and drives 10x the traffic from dropping than it does from a single ad.
Pretty simple? It gets more complicated than that. My Entrecard being on top gets the most clicks. Pretty much the only 125×125 ad I ever take note of on another site is their Entrecard. As you go down the page from left to right the clicks decrease. I’ve seen the top ad on a page go for 10x what ads below it sell for. Also factor in I don’t mention on the site how to advertise on those PW ads. As an experiment, I’ll allow PW to show it’s “advertise here for .06″ and see how high the price shoots up. My guess based upon past experience is it should go up to around .30 per day, which is exactly what DNScoop rates it at.
Will my ad in Entrecard ever sell for 40cr a day? Nope. Will PW ever bring in more than $.30-1.30 a day, maybe, but not likely. Will I remove PW and keep Entrecard? Most likely. Flaws in both systems drive prices up and down. Is dirt cheap traffic really useful if the visitors can’t speak English? Your best bet for blind traffic is to simply have your friends Digg and Stumble your own posts for free. But don’t expect to build a following that way. To do that you need repeat visitors who grow to like your site, bookmark it, and look forward to reading what you have to say. Only Entrecard offers that option in numbers you will notice. Unless you are selling something, it’s doubtful any amount of clicks on a 125×125 ad alone will achieve your goals.
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17 users commented in " Entre-Nonsense And Advertising Costs "
Follow-up comment rss or Leave a Trackback **********Great post. PW sucks. Entrecard’s a fun community, but I don’t think anyone’s clicking on your card other than other members who already know you/your site.
Stan, the number of people that click your ad who aren’t members of entrecard probably is about the same as the PW number, if not a little higher out of curiosity. To me, that’s the main reason to advertise in EC, to attract non EC members to my site. The other reason I advertise is to reinforce my Turnip Brand on sites I like.
Very insightful! I think your comparision and descriptions of the PW/EC networks are excellent. The longer I’m on EC, the more I notice myself clicking on my favorite or familiar cards, regardless of where I find them. I figure I’m going to visit there anyway, so if I see one of my regular stops, I’ll click it. You’re right about reinforcing brand identity through EC. It’s almost a subliminal thing. Like that hypnotic turnip card that I keep clicking on.
Who would have thought EC would give me a turnip habit?
Well, I found out about EC by clicking someone else’s card awhile ago. I’d never heard of it prior to that and thought it was an interesting concept.
Now I am totally addicted and visit all sorts of blogs that I’ve marked as favorites that I’d never have found with EC. My purpose for ‘advertising’ on other EC blogs is to have people visit and if they like me (my blog) to stick around, add me as a favorite, and come back. I’ve met some fascinating folks!
Thanks for reminding us once again that it’s All about the content. I have really struggled to keep up with my postings of late and my traffic is definitely down because of that.
Very well said, Turnip. I was about to post a similar topic when entrecard changed its pricing many weeks ago. But I just thought that it was premature, and so I waited for the ad prices to settle down.
For bloggers in the community, there is no incentive in clicking those PW ads unless you really are searching for something, or that the displayed ad catches your attention at that moment. For non-bloggers (or those outside the ec community), the entrecard ad and pw ad will probably get the same chances of clicks.
CEblogger: Yes, Entrecard is funny, it’s a bidding system and people are complaining the bids are too high. It’s not like you NEED to buy that expensive ad. Let the price drop and buy it when it’s cheaper.
I found you through Entrecard! See, so you at least have me as a subscriber. I never even tried project wonderful, I was waiting for a post to come out saying that it wasn’t really worth it. Looks like the post has come out…
Mommie
I love entrecard. I have from the day I joined! I agree it is a social site. I have met a lot of cool bloggers through them. If any of you are that bitchy about what entrecard is doing for you then go somewhere else. It really is that simple. Leave . just like if PW does not work for you then get out of it. Turnip, I want to call them all bitches! LOL
The problem with project wonderful is they take 25% of the profits without really marketing your site. In turn, you make about .30 a month. You are better off running Adsense and getting a single click.
Turnip you have written an exceptional post(stumbled and reviewed). I don’t just use my credits to advertise my blog on other sites I also purchase advertising space for my commercial site with them. I have also used them for quality directory submissions in the EC shop. As for adverts costing to much on some blogs I have found a few gems that get me lots of hits for very little cost on EC.
I do like the Turnip site. I am thinking about becoming a blogger in a while and find Entrecard just the place to browse lots of different blogs and get good ideas. Entrecard makes it very easy to find different blogs to read but of course you can’t get involved in the dropping or anything if you don’t have a blog.
As always you make a lot of sense. I don’t advertise my site anywhere other than bloggup and entrecard. Of course I get way more traffic from EntreCard.
I do have PW ads displayed on my site, but have no clue how to read their graphs. While literally “earning” pennies a day, I do understand that . I realize I’m not going to get rich off PW, but then again, I can at least cash out once I’ve reached that magic $10 while adsense is going to make me wait a century or more before I can get my first $100 check from them.
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I have to agree with what you, and many commentors have written. What I am looking for in my ads on EntreCard is building a community of regular readers, and not simply ‘boosting traffic’.
Good content is part of that. Also, finding other blogs that you enjoy is part of that. I’ve really enjoyed many of the blogs that I’ve found through EntreCard and that has made my clicking worthwhile, even if it wasn’t bringing me more readers.
Very interesting article. It’s also my opinion that Entrecard is pretty good for what it does. I mean, especially for beginning bloggers. It gets them off their feet and found on search engines. It gets them inbound links. Entrecard does everything it’s said to do.
-Taylor
An excellent objective analysis of the Entrecard Project Wonderful advertising situation.
I feel that this post clearly articulates something that is unsaid but known to every experienced blogger on entrecard.
Wow! That post was very long but you kept it interesting. I signed up for project wonderful thinking it was wonderful. I was hoping to have someone ya’ know buy an ad on my site, but instead I HAD to put the PW widget on my blog. I thought it was some ad space brokerage not some 3 cents a day widget.. that’s not what I was looking for!
Yeah, I’ve bought ads on entrecard with ec but that’s not really what I’m into to tell you the truth. I’m more into how many ec I can get and giving it away for various reasons. I find ec fun, instead of a chore. I think those that find ec fun and those that comment and participate for those reason benefit more than widget hunters do.
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