Fresh off yesterday’s Internet Winners vs Internet Losers we had both types demonstrate their appeal today. The following is a series of exchanges I recently had in the Entrecard forum under my promotion post and by message. We will call the 3 characters “Loser” “Winner” and “Turnip“, none of which knew each other before the conversation.
Turnip: Anyone who signs up for Bluehost Hosting using the link on my site receives 1000 Entrecredits, as well as free tech support from me to get you quickly up and running. Contact me if you would like the names of satisfied Entrecarder references.
Loser: Funny, I was already definitely going to sign up with Bluehost today
Just curious, how much do you get for it?
Winner: I am seriously considering it my self and I think 65.
Turnip: They have 2 affiliate programs. One pays $65 and another pays $90. Naturally I prefer the $90 one. Since it doesn’t change the price for you regardless of how you join Bluehost, signing up through my link is simply a bonus for me. That’s why I offer 1000cr and tech support. Better to get something than nothing.
Loser: Got to say, if you are making $90, you should def offer something better than 1,000ec (which is street value of $4.) 10,000 and you’d def. have a deal
Turnip: How about I remove the offer completely, and be like 99.9% of the other people with hosting affiliate ads on their sites? But thanks for demonstrating the reason most marketing sites are not honest with their readers. Some #%&* discovers you make 2% for referring someone, and immediately demands 1% or no deal. BTW, don;t ever ask me a WordPress question without paying my $40 consulting fee. That’s what I get paid in the real world. Considering the hours I’ve spent helping some people, I’d say they owe me money.
Winner: I am still looking turnip, but you are not ruled out I have nothing against someone getting a something for a refer fee, credit, whatever. I am just mind boggled by all the different hosting companies out there. Your offer of support sounds great, whether you offer 1000 cr or 0 credits. More power to you! (At this point I would do Winner’s entire site for them. I can tell already this is a client I would enjoy working with, and sent them a polite pm telling them so.)
Loser by PM: Hey man, if I could do month to month for 7 or 8 a month I would totally do it, but I just found out you have to pay 96 up front. I know you’d be getting 90, if you wanted to split it 45/45 I think I’d be up for it. Let me know.
Turnip by PM: You are an embarassment. Stick with blogspot.
Loser by PM: Lol. I never understood peoples desire to be such an asshole to random strangers on the internet… Do you want $45 dollar for doing nothing or $0 dollar for doing nothing? You obviously haven’t thought this through, and no, the I would never sign up with you now.
I thank both Winner and Loser for playing their respected roles so well. It’s funny, my accountant didn’t laugh when I told him I knew the money I paid him to do my taxes was all profit. My doctor didn’t laugh when I asked him for a discount because the same treatment was cheaper in Canada. The Quick Check cashier just gave me a dirty look when I bought a cup of coffee and I told her I knew the markup on the coffee was over 90%.
Obviously my mistake was running an honest internet marketing blog along with running an honest promo. People who don’t value other people’s time and effort are simply the sandpaper in life. If Loser had instead said to me “hey, for each person I send to you to signup, can I have half?” he would have had a deal.
But I don’t worry about losing one irritating customer. I’ve spent countless hours designing my site, running ads, learning WordPress, running promos, providing customer support, and then paying taxes on the little profit I make. All for something that is a hobby and not my day job. Never sell yourself short or you will regret it for a long time. Know what your time is worth and stick to it.
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28 users commented in " Losers And Winners Revenge "
Follow-up comment rss or Leave a Trackback **********Pay it forward. if you think like a business man/woman, you’ll appreciate a deal, any deal, for a product you want. What is the point of the other person running a business, to make profit right? So will you if you run a business.
Begrudging someone a profit is stupid. What did you expect, he will give it to you for free? Like he owes you? This turnip guy is no asshole, that guy who’s asking for a very UNREASONABLE deal, and insulting an entrepreneur in the process is the asshole.
The winner type guy described should really see this as a good deal. If you’ve never been with Wordpress, you need someone to take you through it step by step. The plugins will make you crazy if you just rely on the help of an automated CSR.
It’s a generous offer, really. I’m thinking of course of the newbie questions he will have to deal with and the headaches that go with them.
Thanks for the entertaining and educational post, Turnip. I appreciate the part about not selling yourself short. I’m a terrible marketer. I still feel guilty for even putting ads on my blogs, but I’m trying to get over it. My blog is not heavily monetized, but I have costs, like everybody else. I love getting a little commission now and then.
I think it goes back to my days in Girl Scouts, and the trauma of asking people to buy cookies.
I think you’re a great example of doing it right. I can tell by the quality of your content that you put lots of time into this blog. Thank you!
PS - I love boiled turnips, mashed up with lots of butter and sprinkled with salt! Nothing personal…
Thank you for the entertaining, informative posts. I’m already on Bluehost or I would jump at your offer.
I could tell Loser was the loser as soon as I saw the text…if he does business as well as he spells, I’m sure he’ll make a whole lot of nothing.
Pathetic people.
I really don’t market my blog for money, I just like the traffic. I’m still mystified as to how to make money one the net. It would behoove me to find out, as being a SAHM doesn’t pay much.
oh, and I forgot to mention…I’m not seeing the drop on your entrecard widget…on anyone’s for that matter. Noticed it yesterday too. And if I click where the “drop” should be, nothing happens. It’s like the linkage is gone!
I am an accountant by day and I have run into plenty of “losers”. These people live their life trying to scam someone into giving them a “deal”. They love to push what I call the money guilt button. I use to fall for it and then I found these people were always the worst customer. Always taking up way too much time and never wanting to pay for it.
Then there is the, “but if you are in business isn’t any money better than no money.” line. Sorry, no. If you are taking up my time then I don’t have time for my A list clients who I treat like gold because they pay me well. And no, I don’t want you as a customer. You will just turn into a liability.
Sorry for the long post, but these types of people drive me nuts! I mean, if you don’t like the deal, go somewhere else!
I run a financing firm and I encounter a lot of people like loser. They have no respect for people who are making a decent living and wants to get everything for nothing.
To Linda: It happened to me too, while I was in the middle of making drops. It seems that my login in Entrecard expired and I have to login again and reload the pages in order to make the drops. That’s what I did anyways.
Loser will be the first person to put an aff. link in one of their posts without mentioning it’s an aff. link, too.
Linda, refresh your browser cache and cookies. Sounds like Entrecard did an update and you have some old files cached.
Kat: Long comments are always welcome.
You are dead right about not selling yourself short. It happened to me when I worked offline. A few years ago a new airline in my country wanted to hire me to provide them some consultancy, on my branch of expertise. I asked what I considered my time and work was worth, but they wanted to push to get my services dirt cheap. They told me the same “x is better than 0″ and I said “no thanks”.
I wouldn’t worry about the Losers out there and I wouldn’t lose any sleep over it not to say that your are. Anyway if you get $90 in a referral fee for what I’m guessing is easily an hour or more of your time that’s really a fair offer in my book. Not that you will talk to that particular Loser again but another response to the next Loser is what do you pay your mechanic or plumber per hour, end of story in my book.
So I’m seriously considering moving off blogspot to Wordpress but I’m still in learning mode. Do you have any links to share on your favorite tutorials and/or resources on Wordpress? That way once I’m ready for the move I won’t suck up so much of your time,,, ok at minimum I will have more educated questions to ask and try not to suck up so much of your time assuming your Bluehost offer is still available once I’m ready to move.
The offer will be there even if it’s not advertised any more. What I suggest is use Fantastico in the control panel to upgrade to the latest version it offers. Then use a WordPress upgrade plugin to upgrade to the latest version available. I then give a quick tutorial on how and where to put your files. After that, we pick a theme, add the clients favorite plugins, and then add my favorite plugins for security reasons. As for links, I have no one favorite site or tutorial. Googling any question with “wordpress” included in the searchbox has always brought up the answer for me. The wordpress site itself http://codex.wordpress.org/Main_Page offers the most comprehensive advice.
1000 free EC and free tech support, that’s sounds great. Some peoples just don’t want to appreciate any good things you do and that’s their problems
These Losers are just like mosquitoes, always hovering around waiting to take a bite and suck some of the life-blood out of you. I use to “play” with them - they were good sport, but now a quick sharp slap and their gone so I can focus on what matters.
Great post. And like someone else said, if I wasn’t with bluehost already I would have jumped at your offer. Just the help setting it up would have been thanks enough for me.
Hey, getting something in addition to the service your paying for is, by far, more valuable than the service alone. Guess some people just don’t see that!
Mommie
Great post! “You are an embarassment. Stick with blogspot.” I can’t stop laughing! As I said awhile back, as soon as I’m ready to change hosts (should be in the next 2-3 weeks), you’ll know. The only potential snag with Bluehost is ssh, but I see it listed in their features. I detest control panels and prefer doing my work from a command line. For things that require root access, the control panel is inescapable. I’ve had hosts in the past give me sudo, but that’s unheard of these days.
I love your bottom line and it bears repeating. “Never sell yourself short or you will regret it for a long time. Know what your time is worth and stick to it.” I do (among other things) WordPress work. I’m on the wp-pro mailing list and there are endless posts from people who clearly don’t value other’s time. Any posts containing the phrase “This should be easy/simple/quick fix” etc, gets trashed immediately. If it was so easy, why aren’t they doing it for themselves? The sad fact is that they will fish for some kind-hearted soul to do the work for little or nothing and abuse that person’s generosity. I love to help, but I don’t love being abused.
Oops, this is turning into my rant. Sorry. I’ll get in touch when I make the jump to Bluehost. Peace.
I definitely enjoy the conversation.
I think your offer is great, especially since it doesn’t cost the client any more than they would have paid for the host, plus they get free credits and support.
Many people aren’t technical, and for them to get support can be a real pain.
The credits are equivalent to more than 3 days worth of drops.
I consider myself to be a winner. I bought my Bluehosting via Turnip, received a great hosting company, 1000 entrecard credits, and the assistance of a wonderful person who goes by the name of Turnip.
Enough said……………..:)
BTW, my Bluehost URL is, http://healthylifestylebloggers.com.
Check it out……………
Only problem with Lisa’s site is no Entrecard
Such a nice looking site should be shared with everyone.
I didn’t have time to read through all the comments so maybe someone already thought of this but the loser, if he wanted to be a winner, would have made the offer he suggested you make…. 10000 EC for joining through his link. Then he could take the $90 and get about 22,000 EC with it, over and over again…
That’s why I hardly even have an online presence anymore. When I first started out, it was pretty fun and easy to make $10k-$20k per month but now there’s just so many fucking donkeys online, the joy is almost gone.
I came online to help people and now it’s like babysitting and diaper changing… maybe it’s time I employed more of those hands-off principles.
Sam
Ok, Turnip, I’ve been meaning to put up an entrecard on that site, but haven’t figured out to add on a second site in my entrecard account…………….:)
Now, please take a look at it, and at 2 credits, it’s a bargain.
http://healthylifestylebloggers.com/
I still can’t get my header photo to go up to the top. If that happens, the entrecard will be well above the fold……………:)
Lisa, I’ll take a look at it tonight. I’ll drop you an email tomorrow. You have to open a second account using a new email. Most people simply use the same widget twice if the content is the same.
oh those pesky socialists with their Robin Hood mentalities… they’re everywhere! They just want to take, take, take, and then hold it against another person for being creative, innovative, and hard working. Being a small business person myself, I appreciate another person’s ability to cash in on a great opportunity. Capitalism works. I’m highly offended when I give a quote to a caller, and they say, “is that your best price?” And it’s not that they don’t have the means to pay it; they just enjoy being able to cheat you out of a living.
Hey Turnip, good for you for telling this Loser off.
Hey,turnip you are one of the nicest veggies I have had the pleasure to deal with. Don’t look at my address cuz it’s blogspot. I am waaayyy too broke to get hosted yet. But I will definitely look you up. :0
I was wondering why the transcript looks familiar then I realized that I’ve read it before at Entrecard’s Forums.
I’m seriously considering charging for WP advice and/or other help. That’s a great idea.
As for the idiot trying to profit from your affiliation…pfft.
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