Sitehoppin, not as in hopping from site to site. I’m talking about sitehoppin the website. What is does is open people’s sites in an i-frame so they don’t have to bookmark it. Here’s why it is bad for entrecard.
- This owner is a leech. When Graham came up with the Million dollar Wiki, this guy came up with the one dollar wiki. Great, steal the idea and undercut the original. Now he steals a list of bookmarks from ThinRedLine without permission, just to “get his site going”. Like he is too lazy to even bookmark his own sites. I’m not talking about bookmarking 300, but even 50?
- He has no permission to show anyone else’s site in an I-frame. He certainly didn’t ask the people on ThinRedLine’s List. Probably those original people’s sites will get the boot and eventually be replaced by people who sign away any rights.
- By funnelling all sites through his I-frame, he can then monetize your site and not share a penny with you. Instead he could put ads in his header that reward him for your content, not you.
- If I do see a good site using his I-frame, I can’t bookmark it. Instead I see his his site in my bookmarks.
- I don’t need all my traffic funneled through some clown’s site. I’d prefer people come and go from my site, using me as the referrer.
- This is one step away from automation and scripting. Why load the entire site? Why not just load each site’s entrecard javascript into an I-frame and skip the site?
- He makes the claim this is the fastest way to visit sites. Complete marketing bullshit. Opening 50 sites in tabs is the fastest method, 10-20 a minute easy, not his method.
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21 users commented in " 7 Reasons Why I Think Sitehoppin is Bad For Entrecard "
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sitehoppin = Bad site. -_-
His concept reminds me of auto-surfing ponzi scam sites such as 12DailyPro etc
I got scammed before. T_T
(Yes. I was that dumb)
Definitely would not want my site to be in his list. Am I in his list?
First of all, there are no ads on sitehoppin yet.
Second, all sites that show up in iframe will show their ad too.
Sitehoppin brings extra traffic and revenue through community hops.
Hey, if you don’t want the extra traffic, you can keep opening up 20 tabs and depleting you computer resources.
The reason I made this was because my computer and internet would slow down when I open 20 tabs at once, not to make money off anyone else’s site.
Fair enough. There are always people who want the extra traffic and advantages your site brings them. For some people your tool is exactly what they are looking for. Care to explain why you took the time to “hack it with about 100,000 lines of code” but not the time to bookmark 50 of your own sites instead of taking ThinRedLine’s?
This is a really bad Idea. I would not want any of my site loading in an iFrame that Google could spider. Double content is bad for business.
@Turnip,
Oh don’t worry about our sites not being bookmarked yet… (we will be everywhere once the site is completed)
We forgot to tell you that the site hasn’t even launched yet and it’s in public beta, meaning all the features are as “we make” them.
The only reason why we haven’t put all of our sites yet is because we are trying to help promote other people sites’ first by bringing traffic to them so they will start using it.
Ok, Now that I’m home from work I have a bit more time to respond. First, I want to thank you for taking the time to come here and defend your work. I have nothing against anyone trying to earn a buck.
My article may seem a little heavy handed for something only in beta stage, but that was my first honest reaction to what I read last night. I apologize if you designed your system with the best of intentions. I suddenly saw all these posts popping up trying to drive traffic to a site that appeared to be gaming the system.
Since entrecard itself said today they had no objections, there is no doubt that people will use your site. So far you have done well defending yourself against most of my points. Without any current monetization, I really don’t have any issue with your service. But what happens if you sell your whole system to another owner that decides to run ads, or you decide the time is right?
You could easily put full page ads between pages, ads in the header or footer, or simply charge for getting your site shown more often. Not that you plan to do any of those things. But it seems possible down the road. Anyway, I sound like an entrecard fanboi now. Thanks again for taking the time out to visit and explain your side of the story. For now, I’ll keep my wait and see attitude. Turnip.
To be fair to Max, he has been the most “aggressive” of the paid wikis. I haven’t bought a page from his site but I did from Graham. If Graham had put his marketing efforts in MDW like Max did, Graham would have made even more money. Sure it was Max’s own self interest but it benefited his page owners too.
As for Sitehoppin itself, I still don’t know how I feel about it.
Sure, the progression is that it will probably put ads on his headers and footers, but your own blog does show up in the iframe where people can click your ads too.
Also, I don’t understand this site scraping and double posting issue.
He’s not scraping, it’s framed. Google doesn’t spider framed sites.
STILL all that being said, I can understand why others would be leery about this. It does feel funny that someone else can be profiting from your work.
To Mariam,
Thanks for the “aggressive” comment. Yes, we are not scraping content at all, just making a smarter way to browse the internet.
If it’s about making money off other people’s content, look at Google, all they do is scrape websites with their robots all day long. Google IS making money off everyone really.
The thing is, Google is making a ton of killer web apps that I will use, for free! If they’re making money from caching my site, and continue to give me great apps like Gmail, Reader, Maps, etc., then so be it.
Do you have stuff that we want? If not, then don’t take our stuff without giving back.
It still doesn’t explain why Max started off by stealing my list and posting my personal diary URL which I have never publicized or why has consistently refused to acknowledge or apologize for this. As turnip said, write 100K lines of code but can’t be bothered to make your own list.
Despite his relative civility here in Turnip’s forum, I think Max has clearly shown himself to be unethical and as such, someone to be avoided. And I promise to tell everyone in my circle that he is a liar and cheat and that they should Definitely avoid sitehoppin.
Personally entrecard does little to nothing for me. I’m not selling you anything and I don’t have The. Next. Huge. Gazillion. Dollar. Internet. Quick. Buck. (scam) so the 2 second visitor doesn’t interest me.
I’m giving it one more week and then taking the widget down.
@Sue - Great comment. I try to look past the 2 second visitor and recognize the couple of people who have started to leave comments and take the time to send me encouraging words.
I’m also not selling anything but being a part of networks like this help me find like minded readers and writers - I’ve found some great additions to my daily read.
SB
Next week I will post some graphs and numbers. Ever see one of those charts where the numbers go straight up? http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/turnipofpower.com if you want a preview. I entered your website suedoenim.blogspot.com into alexa and see you also had an increase in traffic, though not as dramatic. I know this might be a silly and disagreeable suggestion, but if you want to humor me, try it.
1. Move your entrecard from the bottom of your page to the top right.
2. Message me after the change.
3. Drop 300 cards that day.
I realize that does take some time and effort, so its up to you.
Hey Turnip,
I did stumble this post!
Bad publicity is better than good publicity.
In order for people to argue about it, they have to check it out first. The more people that sign up for entrecard, the more that will believe your site gives them an edge.
I feel uneasy about this. I just noticed my site on SiteHoppin and went over to take a look. I don’t know much about I-frames, but I don’t like the fact that people are looking at my site at the address: http://sitehoppin.com/mysite.com/.
Plus, I tried to bookmark a single entry on my site. The bookmark does not refer you back to that entry, but to the main page! If people like a post, they can’t bookmark it. They can only bookmark your site.
Plus Max stated in his very first comment here that there are no ads on SiteHoppin “yet.” This shows his intention to do so in the future.
Also, it’s not a reasonable argument for me that my own ads are also being displayed. This statement by Max means that (A) I should assume that most visitors to my site will stick around and browse my content… they won’t. I’ve got enough experience with StumbleUpon to realize that you will get an enormous bounce-rate from SiteHoppin. (B) I should be grateful that my site is being loaded from a different location and that the good people at SiteHoppin have had the decency not to alter my content! Bottom line, this feels like scraping to me.
I don’t even understand how my stats are showing hits from SiteHoppin since every link on my site (when viewed through the I-frame) leads back to http://sitehoppin.com/mysite.com/! At any rate, this is superficial traffic at best.
Are these concerns legitimate, or do I just not understand how this whole thing works?
Concerned: Your concerns are valid and I would contact Sitehoppin about them. I don’t use the service so I have no idea if it’s possible to remove your site. I’m happy for any traffic and only see at most 10 “hops” a day from there.
This article was written when Sitehoppin first made it’s appearance at Entrecard. The points I made in this article are all still valid, but come off a little strong against Max. He’s a young entrepreneur who should have done a bit more preparation and market research before jumping into the forums like he did.
Turnip,
Thanks for your reply and advice! I’ll see if I can’t dig a little deeper and maybe even contact Sitehoppin directly.
Max,
Why don’t you create a real toolbar, like StumbleUpon that will Sitehop sites with Entrecard. This way everyone is happy. You create a much desired tool and people don’t have to have their site in an iframe.
I told him to remove my site from his crappy system and he did. I also don’t like sitehoppin, I think he should remove all sites and allow people to opt in. There are many of us who do not want our content displayed in a frame. It is fucking immoral and destroys the sites credibility.
Guy: I’m glad Max is honoring removal requests. I only get 11-12 sitehoppin hits a day.
Sly: A toolbar would be a much better idea. but I think the whole concept is related to the i-frame, as are all the objections.
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